Chapter 11 Is the Right Road for US Carmakers

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By Joseph Stiglitz, The Financial Times. Posted December 13, 2008.

If we bailout the Big 3 directly, much of the money will just support shareholders and bondholders.

The debate about whether or not to bail out the Big Three carmakers has been mischaracterised. It has been described as a package to help the undeserving dinosaurs of Detroit. In fact, a plan to bail out the carmakers would benefit shareholders and bondholders as much as anybody else. These are not the people that need help right now. In fact they contributed to the problem.

Financial markets are supposed to allocate capital and monitor that it is used to good effect. They are supposed to be rewarded when they do that job well, but bear the consequences when they fail. The markets failed. Wall Street's focus on quarterly returns encouraged the short-sighted behaviour that contributed to their own demise and that of America's manufacturing, including the automotive industry. Today, they are asking to escape accountability. We should not allow it.

What needs to be done is to help the automakers get a fresh start and allow them to focus on producing good cars rather than trying to juggle their books to meet past obligations.

The US car industry will not be shut down, but it does need to be restructured. That is what Chapter 11 of America's bankruptcy code is supposed to do. A variant of pre-packaged bankruptcy - where all the terms are set before going before the bankruptcy court - can allow them to produce better and more environmentally sound cars. It can also address legacy retiree obligations. The companies may need additional finance. Given the state of financial markets, the US government may have to provide that at terms that give the taxpayers a full return to compensate them for the risk. Government guarantees can provide assurances, as they did two decades ago when Chrysler faced its crisis.

With financial restructuring, the real assets do not disappear. Equity investors (who failed to fulfil their responsibility of oversight) lose everything; bondholders get converted into equity owners and may lose substantial amounts. Freed of the obligation to pay interest, the carmakers will be in a better position. Taxpayer dollars will go far further. Moral hazard - the undermining of incentives - will be averted: a strong message will be sent.

Some will talk of the pension funds and others that will suffer. Yes, but that is true of every investment that has diminished. The government may need to help some pension funds but it is better to do so directly, than via massive bail-outs hoping that a little of the money trickles down to the "widows and orphans". Some will say that bankruptcy will undermine confidence in America's cars. It is the cars and carmakers themselves - and the dismal performance of their executives - that have undermined confidence. With industry experts saying $125bn (94bn, 84bn) or more will be needed, with bail-out fatigue setting in, why should US consumers believe that a $15bn gift will do the trick of a turnround?

It is more plausible that confidence will be restored if the industry is freed of the burden of interest payments and is given a fresh start. Modern cars are complex technological products and the US has demonstrated its strength in advanced technology. US workers, working for Japanese carmakers, have shown their hard work can produce cars that are desirable. America's managers too have demonstrated their managerial skills in many other areas.

The failure lies with the managers of US carmakers and America's financial markets, which failed in their oversight and encouraged short-sighted behaviour. The "bridge loan to nowhere" - the down payment on what could be a sinkhole of enormous proportions - is another example of the short-sighted behaviour that got us into this mess.

As the bailouts continue, numbers that once looked huge are starting to seem almost normal. Hundreds of billons are being given to banks and insurance companies. AIG got $150bn. Compared with that $34bn, or even $125bn, for the automotive industry seems a modest request. Even so, we should not forget that a few months ago, President George W. Bush said there was not enough money for health insurance for poor children although it cost just a few billion dollars.
 
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Thanks for posting kelvin. The whole bailout thing is ridiculous in the first place, and I completely agree that these companies should be looking at chapter 11 instead of a bailout. With a bailout, they're still strung up by the unions, and it's not going to solve anything other than delay their demise. Chapter 11 would allow a restructuring for a more efficient company and hopefully non-union workers.
 

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you are wrong if you think the unions are not going to make concessions

they are backed into a corner this time. not like when they go on strike.
 

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you are wrong if you think the unions are not going to make concessions

they are backed into a corner this time. not like when they go on strike.
If unions can't compromise during a recession of this magnitute which is unprecedented then down goes the auto industry
 

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If unions can't compromise during a recession of this magnitute which is unprecedented then down goes the auto industry

they are compromising

the union probably is limited though by law where certain things must be approved by members. That probably is one reason they would not give a time line.
 

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they are compromising

the union probably is limited though by law where certain things must be approved by members. That probably is one reason they would not give a time line.
Interesting.

I don't think they'll compromise enough though. And really, the unions shouldn't even exist in the first place. :) That's why I think chapt. 11 would be a great thing for these companies, they could possibly get workers who AREN'T unionized.
 

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they are compromising

the union probably is limited though by law where certain things must be approved by members. That probably is one reason they would not give a time line.
I heard one pundit say that the current union wages & benefits are fairly close to Toyota & the others. The benefits package for the old guys - they called it legacy something - are what GM can't get out from under. Not a lot of pity from me, though. No American should choose to be too dependent on anyone beyond family.

Self-dependence, Self-sufficiency, Self-determination.
 

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I have mixed feelings about the US Auto Industry and it's not based on my union brothers and sisters. Part of me is aggravated that they have not been seriously working on economic vehicles for the last 50 years along with the rest of the world. I want to see them reorganized or get a kick in the butt.

But I've also heard that if they go down, it's going to send further shock waves through the economy which is going to spread suffering to everyone else.

But regarding bailouts, I'm not happy that the U.S. government seemed to give the big banks cash on all most a no questions asked basis instead of making them jump through accountability hoops too. It was executives there who made just as many bad decisions as those in the auto industry.

I guess I'm undecided.

PS- The unions will have no choice but to grant concessions. When I originally heard the Auto bailout fell through last week, I heard prominent Republican's blaming it on unions not willing to take pay cuts. But then I heard the head of the Auto Workers say they had given concessions, that it was agreed to by the Republican negotiating, but when the deal was taken back to the Republican Caucus, they nixed it, a group that included Southern Republicans who have foreign car plants in their States. And that states collectively have given over $300 Billion in tax concessions to bring those factories into the U.S. True? The situation does not appear to be black and white.
 

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WH Wants to See Concessions Before a Bailout


White House Says Bailout Deal Is Not Imminent

"If we're going to use taxpayer financing to assist the automakers, all stakeholders are going to have to come to the table and be willing to show that they are capable and willing to make really tough decisions about the way forward," Perino said. More..........
 

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The auto industry bailout may trigger a return to protectionism.

The government made the decision in October to allow Lehman Brothers to fail while protecting firms like Morgan Stanley, AIG, and later Citigroup from collapse—many argue there is a difference between financial firms and U.S. industrial giants like Detroit's Big Three automakers.
The European Union has threatened to prepare a WTO complaint (Bloomberg) if the terms of the U.S. auto bailout violate trade rules.
The World Trade Organization, fashioned in large part by the United States to guard against unfair trade practices, almost certainly will hear complaints about the bailout. More.......
 

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The auto industry bailout may trigger a return to protectionism.

The government made the decision in October to allow Lehman Brothers to fail while protecting firms like Morgan Stanley, AIG, and later Citigroup from collapse—many argue there is a difference between financial firms and U.S. industrial giants like Detroit's Big Three automakers.
The European Union has threatened to prepare a WTO complaint (Bloomberg) if the terms of the U.S. auto bailout violate trade rules.
The World Trade Organization, fashioned in large part by the United States to guard against unfair trade practices, almost certainly will hear complaints about the bailout. More.......
Not that I am pro-bailout, but how would a bailout of the big 3 be any different that the Japanese government subsidizing their automakers to the WTO?
 

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You can't compare the Japanese despite the subsidy cuz they are giant killers with their quality. Even with the bailout can the big 3 last?
 

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You can't compare the Japanese despite the subsidy cuz they are giant killers with their quality. Even with the bailout can the big 3 last?
The WTO doesn't care about quality. They said that they would be upset about the big 3 getting a bailout because it goes against the fair trade agreement and blah blah blah. All I'm saying is, if a bailout from the government is unfair to the WTO, why is subsidizing by the Japenese government not also unfair?
 

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Everybody can assume subsidy by the japanese govt is unfair and get upset but now the question is who is boycotting japanese products? Their products are still selling like hot cakes. 'Quality is King'
 

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The WTO doesn't care about quality. They said that they would be upset about the big 3 getting a bailout because it goes against the fair trade agreement and blah blah blah. All I'm saying is, if a bailout from the government is unfair to the WTO, why is subsidizing by the Japenese government not also unfair?
US President George W. Bush said in an interview Tuesday he was forced to sacrifice free market principles to save the economy from "collapse." - So Fuck WTO, Fuck Subsidy, Fuck Bailout. Read more .........
 

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The WTO doesn't care about quality. They said that they would be upset about the big 3 getting a bailout because it goes against the fair trade agreement and blah blah blah. All I'm saying is, if a bailout from the government is unfair to the WTO, why is subsidizing by the Japenese government not also unfair?
It makes little difference what the WTO decrees , Govts are not going to let their auto industries go under during this financial crisis . In fact , they will finance them if necessary, for a favorable position after the recovery . Everybody is protective , and looking to their own interests regardless of the WTO. Everybody but possibly the U.S..
The future of the Auto industry will be changed to a degree ,{financed by Govts around the world} and the U.S. makers will have to deal more effectively with the competition , smaller slice of the pie .

What is happening now is not because we have more retired than Toyota USA , or that U.S. cars are overpriced due to Union ---- its bigger than that . The world financial recession, the market is one part .
The other ? the U.S. auto makers need to restructure operations to reflect demand ,as is happening with foreign makers, and OFFER THE CONSUMERS WHAT THEY DESIRE .
People buy Hondas because they like them ! . They won't buy a little Chevy because its a little cheaper .
At any rate , you need to see what is happening around the world . Govts are positioning their manufactures to be competitive -- after this is all over. >f
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As U.S. Dithers on Bailout, Others Make Progress

While the U.S. government wrangles over whether to aid its three big auto makers, several other auto-producing nations are moving ahead with aid packages to help companies operating within their borders.
On Friday, Canada and the province of Ontario agreed to provide 3.5 billion Canadian dollars (US$2.8 billion) for the Canadian auto industry. Canada is home to auto plants owned by the Detroit Big Three as well as by Japan's Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co.
The amount of Canadian aid is about 20% of the $14 billion the Bush administration is considering providing in low-cost loans to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC. Ford Motor Co. has lobbied for aid for its rivals, but isn't asking for help.
On Monday, French President Nicholas Sarkozy is scheduled to meet the heads of Renault SA and PSA Peugeot Citroën SA to discuss using some of France's €26 billion stimulus package for the auto makers and suppliers Faurecia SA and Valeo SA.
Sweden has approved a $3 billion of support for its two auto makers, Saab and Volvo, owned by GM and Ford, respectively. Portugal has authorized a credit line for its auto plants.
Germany's federal government and some state governments are considering providing loans to Opel, the German unit of GM. One sticking point has been how to ensure the money stays in Germany and doesn't go to GM in the U.S.
Last month at the Los Angeles auto show, Renault Chief Executive Carlos Ghosn warned that the crisis extends beyond Detroit and could spell the end for some companies.
"If this crisis continues and deepens, we may soon see fewer actors as well as actors seriously weakened by their struggles," he said.
The sector's troubles have hit at the economic heart of Czech Republic. A sharp slowdown in European demand has dried up automobile and auto-parts production, which account for a fifth of the Central European country's total industrial output and 10% of its gross domestic product.
The Czech government statistics office on Friday reported thatindustrial production plunged 7.6% annually in October after expanding 8.9% in September, due to a sharp drop in automotive manufacturing. Czech auto exports fell 15% in October, sending the country's external trade balance into deficit.







As U.S. Dithers on Bailout, Others Make Progress - WSJ.com
 

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Everybody can assume subsidy by the japanese govt is unfair and get upset but now the question is who is boycotting japanese products? Their products are still selling like hot cakes. 'Quality is King'
Quality is King , but I don't know about "hot cakes " under current circumstance. >f
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Honda cuts profit forecast by 62%

HONG KONG: Honda cut its full-year forecast for net profit by 62 percent Wednesday, the latest sign of the dramatic drop in demand that has hammered the global car industry and sent U.S. manufacturers scurrying for government aid.
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It was the carmaker's third profit warning of the year, highlighting how tough the market has become as consumers, constrained by tight credit markets and worried about the economy, hold back even on the smaller and more fuel-efficient cars that had been expected to help Honda survive the crisis better than many of its rivals.
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"The situation is worsening day by day and is showing no sign of recovery," Fukui said, echoing remarks from other auto executives in recent months.
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Carmakers around the world have raced to cut costs, and Honda and Nissan, its smaller Japanese rival, announced further savings measures Wednesday.
Nissan, meanwhile, announced Wednesday that it would cut a further 78,000 units from local production, taking the tally for its production cuts this business year to 225,000.
Honda's vehicle sales in the United States, its main market, fell 32 percent in November from a year earlier, the most since 1981, and sales in Europe dropped 34 percent.
Industry observers say they believe that Honda's profit warning will not be the last.
Toyota will hold its year-end press conference Monday and is widely expected to cut its 2009 sales forecast by at least one million vehicles, analysts surveyed by Reuters said.
Toyota is likely to follow suit with added savings measures, like shelving or canceling one or more of its dozen or so production projects.
Honda cuts profit forecast by 62% - International Herald Tribune

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Quality is King , but I don't know about "hot cakes " under current circumstance. >f
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Honda cuts profit forecast by 62%

HONG KONG: Honda cut its full-year forecast for net profit by 62 percent Wednesday, the latest sign of the dramatic drop in demand that has hammered the global car industry and sent U.S. manufacturers scurrying for government aid.
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It was the carmaker's third profit warning of the year, highlighting how tough the market has become as consumers, constrained by tight credit markets and worried about the economy, hold back even on the smaller and more fuel-efficient cars that had been expected to help Honda survive the crisis better than many of its rivals.
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"The situation is worsening day by day and is showing no sign of recovery," Fukui said, echoing remarks from other auto executives in recent months.
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Carmakers around the world have raced to cut costs, and Honda and Nissan, its smaller Japanese rival, announced further savings measures Wednesday.
Nissan, meanwhile, announced Wednesday that it would cut a further 78,000 units from local production, taking the tally for its production cuts this business year to 225,000.
Honda's vehicle sales in the United States, its main market, fell 32 percent in November from a year earlier, the most since 1981, and sales in Europe dropped 34 percent.
Industry observers say they believe that Honda's profit warning will not be the last.
Toyota will hold its year-end press conference Monday and is widely expected to cut its 2009 sales forecast by at least one million vehicles, analysts surveyed by Reuters said.
Toyota is likely to follow suit with added savings measures, like shelving or canceling one or more of its dozen or so production projects.
Honda cuts profit forecast by 62% - International Herald Tribune

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Given the current gloom which is accross the board the japanese will emerge winners cuz they are experts in cuting corners without compromising on quality. The downfall of the US auto industry ( if it happens) the japanese will turn the adversity into an opportunity
 

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The UAW must have infected the whole world , even the Financial markets ! :jk

Seriously , I believe the Americans can design , can market , and can compete .
We just need to adapt , and have the time to do it .
The foreign makers are licking their chops over our failure --long term if we allow it.
They will position to take advantage .
The only thing they fear is the financial damage short term -- if we fail. We are connected in ways .>f




European Auto Bailouts

James Joyner | November 23, 2008 The American government appears unlikely to offer loan guarantees to the Big 3 U.S. automakers, despite the pleas of President-elect Barack Obama. Meanwhile, European governments appear set to help out their competitors.
British-based carmaker Jaguar Land Rover is in secret talks with the UK government over a 1 billion pound ($1.48 billion) loan, just nine months after the Indian conglomerate Tata Group bought the luxury carmaker, the Sunday Times newspaper reported.
The request reflects the sharp downturn in the global car market which has already pushed a handful of big carmakers to the edge of bankruptcy, and one UK government source said Prime Minister Gordon Brown is studying the request, the paper added.
In a Jaguar Land Rover statement, the group said on Sunday it supported UK and European carmaker's industry bodies seeking help from governments but would not comment specifically.
Citroean, Pugeot, Fiat, and others are getting sympathetic listens to their calls for emergency measures.
European Auto Bailouts | Atlantic Council of the United States

 
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