Can you say "Debt"?

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Tim

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This is pretty fucked up. The Bush administration has borrowed $1.05 Trillion dollars to date. That's $3,550.43 for every man woman and child.

According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion.

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BTW Verni, that's $14,201.72 that you need to pay the government. That's some serious mods that Joe could have done to his car.
 
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but look at some stuff thats happened since then. the hurricanes in florida, lousiana, and the other places hit hard. terrorist attacks..... i'm sure those weren't planned for in the budget. :dunno
 

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But consider the fact that over the last 225 years we had:
These numbers are real dollars and not adjusted for inflation

The Revolution (1775-1783) $100,000,000.00
War of 1812 (1812-1815) $90,000,000.00
Mexican War (1846-1848) $70,000,000.00
Civil War (1861-1865) $5,200,000,000.00
Spanish American War (1898) $40,000,000.00
World War I (1917-1918) $26,000,000,000.00
World War II (1941-1945) $288,000,000,000.00
Korea (1950-1953) $54,000,000,000.00
Vietnam (1964-1972) $111,000,000,000.00
Gulf War (1990-1991) $61,000,000,000.00

And these natural disasters:
This is only for the last 20 years

2000 Drought/Heat Wave (Spring–Summer); preliminary estimate more than $4.0 (4.2) billion; estimated 140 deaths nationwide.
Western Fire Season (Spring–Summer); more than $2.0 (2.1) billion; no deaths reported.
1999 Hurricane Floyd (Sept.); at least $6.0 (6.5) billion; 77 deaths.
Eastern Drought/Heat Wave (Summer); more than $1.0 (1.1) billion; estimated 502 deaths.
Oklahoma-Kansas Tornadoes (May); at least $1.6 (1.7) billion; 55 deaths.
Arkansas-Tennessee Tornadoes (Jan.); approximately $1.3 (1.4) billion; 17 deaths.
1998 Texas Flooding (Oct.–Nov.); approximately $1.0 (1.1) billion; 31 deaths.
Hurricane Georges (Sept.); estimated $5.9 (6.5) billion; 16 deaths.
Hurricane Bonnie (Aug.); approximately $1.0 (1.1) billion; 3 deaths.
Southern Drought/Heat Wave (Summer); $6.0-$9.0 billion; at least 200 deaths.
Minnesota Severe Storms/Hail (May); more than $1.5 (1.7) billion; 1 death.
Southeast Tornadoes and Flooding (Winter–Spring); more than $1.0 (1.1) billion; at least 132 deaths.
Northeast Ice Storm (Jan.); more than $1.4 (1.5) billion; 16 deaths.
1997 Northern Plains Flooding (April–May); approximately $3.7 (4.1) billion; 11 deaths.
Mississippi and Ohio Valleys Flooding and Tornadoes (March); estimated $1.0 (1.1) billion; 67 deaths.
West Coast Flooding (Dec. 1996–Jan. 1997); approximately $3.0 (3.4) billion; 36 deaths.
1996 Hurricane Fran (Sept.); more than $5.0 (5.8) billion; 37 deaths.
Southern Plains Severe Drought (Fall 1995–Summer 1996); approximately $5.0 (6.0) billion; no deaths.
Pacific Northwest Severe Flooding (Feb.); approximately $1.0 (1.2) billion; 9 deaths.
Blizzard of '96 and Flooding (Jan.); approximately $3.0 (3.5) billion; 187 deaths.
1995 Hurricane Opal (Oct.); more than $3.0 (3.6) billion; 27 deaths.
Hurricane Marilyn (Sept.); estimated $2.1 (2.5) billion; 13 deaths.
Southern Severe Weather and Flooding (May); 5.0-$6.0 (6.5-7.1) billion; 32 deaths.
California Flooding (Jan.–March); more than $3.0 (3.6) billion; 27 deaths.
1994 Western Fire Season (Summer–Fall); approximately $1.0 (1.2) billion; death toll undetermined.
Texas Flooding (Oct.); approximately $1.0 (1.2) billion; 19 deaths.
Tropical Storm Alberto (July); approximately $1.0 (1.2) billion; 32 deaths.
Southeast Ice Storm (Feb.); approximately $3.0 (3.7) billion; 9 deaths.
1993 California Wildfires (Fall); approximately $1.0 (1.3) billion; 4 deaths.
Midwest Flooding (Summer); approximately $21.0 (26.7) billion; 48 deaths.
Drought/Heat Wave (Summer); about $1.0 (1.3) billion; at least 16 deaths.
“Storm of the Century” Blizzard (March); $3.0-$6.0 (3.8-7.6) billion; approximately 270 deaths.
1992 Nor'easter of 1992 (Dec.); $1.0-$2.0 (1.3-2.6) billion; 19 deaths.
Hurricane Iniki (Sept.); about $1.8 (2.4) billion; 7 deaths.
Hurricane Andrew (Aug.); approximately $27.0 (35.6) billion; 61 deaths.
1991 Oakland Firestorm (Oct.): approximately $2.5 (3.5) billion; 25 deaths.
Hurricane Bob (Aug.); $1.5 (2.1) billion; 18 deaths.
1990 Texas/Oklahoma/Louisiana/Arkansas Flooding (May); more than $1.0 (1.4) billion; 13 deaths.
1989 Hurricane Hugo (Sept.); more than $9.0 (13.9) billion; 86 deaths.
Northern Plains Drought (Summer); at least $1.0 (1.5) billion; no deaths reported.
1988 Drought/Heat Wave (Summer); estimated $40.0 (61.6) billion; estimated 5,000 to 10,000 deaths.
1986 Southeast Drought/Heat Wave (Summer); $1.0-$1.5 (1.8-2.6) billion; estimated 100 deaths.
1985 Hurricane Juan (Oct.–Nov.); $1.5 (2.8) billion; 63 deaths.
Hurricane Elena (Aug.–Sept.); $1.3 (2.4) billion; 4 deaths.
Florida Freeze (Jan.); about $1.2 (2.2) billion; no deaths.
1983 Florida Freeze (Dec.); about $2.0 (4.0) billion; no deaths.
Hurricane Alicia (Aug.); $3.0 (5.9) billion; 21 deaths.
Western Storms and Flooding (1982–early 1983); $1.1 (2.2) billion; at least 45 deaths.
Gulf States Storms and Flooding (1982– early 1983); $1.1 (2.2) billion; at least 50 deaths.
1980 Drought/Heat Wave (June–Sept.); estimated $20.0 (48.4) billion; estimated 10,000 deaths.
 

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Re: RE: Can you say "Debt"?

UncleBacon said:
the price of the all might $$$$$$$$ has changed dramaticly too

Sure it has, but not that fucking much. My only point is this post is the debt that this country is in again. I mean WTF, this president has to stop spending like this. I don't give a rats ass who is in charge (Democrats or Republicans) our government needs to have a little more fiscal responsibilty. These are loans with Japan and other forien governments. We are doing nothing more than making these other countries rich.
 

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I support the president, and the direction he is trying to take the country. The national debt debate is a good one, and I agree with you in theory.

However, (I actually said comma there if anybody cares) The debt is not as out of controll as it seems. There are big dollars going out right now, and the trade deficite isn't the happiest graph I've ever seen, but it's also not a problem that is going to haunt our children's children like you hear in the news.

President Regan broke the bank to break the Reds. But in the end, he did break the Soviet Union. It didn't take 50 years to get out of it either.

If you look at the spending that is done on a local level, a 1% cut across the board would solve our entire situation in the blink of an eye. When the time, and the political will comes, it will be done.

It just sucks, because how do you solve debt? Raise taxes? Okay, now everybody hates you. Cut spending? Okay, now the special intrest groups that are losing money spend everything they've got in less than truthful ads, and now everybody hates you again.

If people could act like adults, everything would be fine.

Compare our national debt to our GDP. I wish I was in the same amount of debt as the country. (percentage wise)
 

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This is pretty fucked up. The Bush administration has borrowed $1.05 Trillion dollars to date. That's $3,550.43 for every man woman and child.



You can see the article Here

BTW Verni, that's $14,201.72 that you need to pay the government. That's some serious mods that Joe could have done to his car.

Ill let him pay that. lol
 

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They can cut shit like this out!



Pentagon Paid $998,798 to Ship Two 19-Cent Washers

A small South Carolina parts supplier collected about $20.5 million over six years from the Pentagon for fraudulent shipping costs, including $998,798 for sending two 19-cent washers to a Texas base, U.S. officials said.

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The company also billed and was paid $455,009 to ship three machine screws costing $1.31 each to Marines in Habbaniyah, Iraq, and $293,451 to ship an 89-cent split washer to Patrick Air Force Base in Cape Canaveral, Florida, Pentagon records show.

The owners of C&D Distributors in Lexington, South Carolina -- twin sisters -- exploited a flaw in an automated Defense Department purchasing system: bills for shipping to combat areas or U.S. bases that were labeled ``priority'' were usually paid automatically, said Cynthia Stroot, a Pentagon investigator. C&D's fraudulent billing started in 2000, Stroot, the Defense Criminal Investigative Service's chief agent in Raleigh, North Carolina, said in an interview. ``As time went on they got more aggressive in the amounts they put in.''

The price the military paid for each item shipped rarely reached $100 and totaled just $68,000 over the six years in contrast to the $20.5 million paid for shipping, she said.

The majority, if not all of these parts, were going to high-priority, conflict areas -- that's why they got paid,'' Stroot said. If the item was earmarked ``priority,'' destined for the military in Iraq, Afghanistan or certain other locations, ``there was no oversight.''

Scheme Detected
The scheme unraveled in September after a purchasing agent noticed a bill for shipping two more 19-cent washers: $969,000. That order was rejected and a review turned up the $998,798 payment earlier that month for shipping two 19-cent washers to Fort Bliss, Texas, Stroot said.

The Pentagon Defense Logistics Agency orders millions of parts a year. Stroot said the agency and the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, which pays contractors, have made major changes, including thorough evaluations of the priciest shipping charges.

Dawn Dearden, a spokeswoman for the logistics agency, said finance and procurement officials immediately examined all billing records. Stroot said the review showed that fraudulent billing is ``is not a widespread problem.''

``C&D was a rogue contractor,'' Stroot said. While other questionable billing has been uncovered, nothing came close to C&D's, she said. The next-highest contractor billed $2 million in questionable transport costs, she said.

Guilty Pleas
C&D and two of its officials were barred in December from receiving federal contracts. A federal judge in Columbia, South Carolina, today accepted the guilty plea of the company and one sister, Charlene Corley, to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to launder money, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin McDonald said.

Corley, 46, was fined $750,000. She faces a maximum prison sentence of 20 years on each count and will be sentenced in the near future, McDonald said in a telephone interview from Columbia. Stroot said her sibling died last year.
Corley didn't immediately return a phone message left on her answering machine at her office in Lexington. Her attorney, Gregory Harris, didn't immediately return a phone call placed to his office in Columbia.

Stroot said the Pentagon hopes to recoup most of the $20.5 million by auctioning homes, beach property, jewelry and ``high- end automobiles'' that the sisters spent the money on.

``They took a lot of vacations,'' she said
Pentagon Paid $998,798 to Ship Two 19-Cent Washers - Yahoo! News

And anyone who steals like this due to this damn war ought to be serving long sentences. And that includes Cheney. ;)
 
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