breaking: violence erupts in cairo

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Chaos in Cairo as Mubarak backers, opponents clash

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AP – Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, march …


By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Hadeel Al-shalchi And Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press – 12 mins ago
CAIRO – Thousands of supporters and opponents of President Hosni Mubarak battled in Cairo's main square Wednesday, raining stones and bottles down on each other as gunshots rang in the air. In scenes of uncontrolled violence, government backers galloped in on horses and camels, only to be dragged to the ground by their rivals and beaten bloody.


The two sides faced off at a front line next to the famed Egyptian Museum at the edge of central Tahrir Square, where they crouched behind abandoned trucks, hurling chunks of concrete and bottles at each other. Government supporters waved machetes, and entire rooftoops of several nearby buildings were covered with their fighters, who hurled rocks, bricks and firebombs on the crowd below and tearing up satellite dishes to use as shields.


Bloodied anti-government protesters were taken to makeshift clinics in mosques and alleyways, and some pleaded for protection from soldiers stationed at the square, who refused. Though they occasionally fired warning shots in the air, the soldiers did nothing to stop the fighting.


The violence marked a dangerous new phase in Egypt's upheaval — the first significant violence between supporters of the two camps in more than a week of anti-government protests. It erupted after Mubarak went on national television the night before and rejected demands he step down immediately and said he would serve out the remaining seven months of his term.


A military spokesman appeared on state TV Wednesday and asked the protesters to disperse so life in Egypt could get back to normal. The announcement could mark a major turn in the attitude of the army, which for the past two days has allowed protests to swell, reaching their largest size yet on Tuesday when a quarter-million peacefully packed into Cairo's central Tahrir Square.


The regime for the first time began to rally supporters in significant numbers to demand an end to the unprecedented protest movement calling for Mubarak's removal. Some 20,000 pro-government demonstrators held an angry but peaceful rally across the Nile River from the violence, saying Mubarak's concessions were enough and demanding protests end.


Having the rival sides both on the streets is particularly worrying because there do not appear to be enough police or miliary on the streets to control the situation.


Nearly 10,000 anti-government protesters massed again in Tahrir on Wednesday morning, rejecting Mubarak's speech as too little too late and renewing their demands he leave immediately.


The violence began in the early afternoon, when around 3,000 Mubarak supporters broke through a human chain of protesters trying to defend the thousands gathered in Tahrir, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. They tore down banners denouncing the president, fistfights broke out as protesters grabbed Mubarak posters from the hands of the supporters and ripped them to pieces.


From there, it escalated into outright street battles as hundreds poured in to join each side. They tore up stones from the sidewalks and from a nearby construction site and began hurling stones, chunks of concrete and sticks at each, chasing each other.


At one point, a small contingent of pro-Mubarak forces on horseback and camels rushed into the anti-Mubarak crowds, swinging whips and sticks to beat people. Protesters retaliated, dragging some from their mounts, throwing them to the ground and beating their faces bloody. The horses and camels likely were the ones used by touts giving rides for tourists.


Gunfire rang out occasionally as some soldiers fired in the air in half-hearted attempts to control the crowd. But fighting was unabated.


The front line next to the Egyptian Museum — the famed treasury of pharaonic antiquities and mummies — surged back and forth repeatedly for hours on a street littered with stones.



Anti-Mubarak protesters held up sheets of corrogated metal ripped from the construction site as shields. Some tried to charge into the buildings from which government supporters on the roofs were pelting them with stones, but they were stopped by plainclothed security forces at the entrances.


As night fell, the protesters not engaged in the continued fighting knelt in prayers at the center of Tahrir Square, while others went to get food — a sign they plan to dig in for a long fight.



Protesters were seen running with their shirts or faces bloodied. Men and women in the crowd were weeping. Scores of wounded were carried to a makeshift clinic at a mosque near the square and on other side streets. Doctors in white coats rushed about with bags of cotton, mercurochrome and bandages. One man with blood coming out of his eye stumbled into a side-street clinic.


The army troops who have been guarding the square had been keeping the two sides apart earlier in the day, but when the clashes erupted they largely did not intervene. Most took shelter behind or inside the armored vehicles and tanks stationed at the entrances to Tahrir.


Some anti-Mubarak protesters argued with soldiers, begging them to help. "Why don't you protect us?" some shouted, while soldiers replied they did not have orders to do so and told people to go home.


Many protesters — who for days have showered the military with love for its neutral stance — now accused the troops had intentionally allowed the attackers into the square. "Hosni has opened the door for these thugs to attack us," one man with a loudspeaker shouted to the crowds during the fighting.


"These are paid thugs," another protester, 52-year-old Emad Nafa, said of the attackers. "The army is neglectful. They let them in."


The new tensions began to emerge immediately following Mubarak's speech Tuesday night. Later in the night, clashes erupted between pro- and anti-government demonstrators in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, while in Cairo groups of Mubarak supporters took to the streets, some carrying knives and sticks.


Gatherings of Mubarak supporters have also taken a harsher tone against journalists and foreigners. Two Associated Press correspondents and several other journalists were roughed up during various such gatherings. State TV reported Tuesday night that foreigners were caught distributing anti-Mubarak leaflets, apparently trying to depict the movement as foreign-fueled.


The violence could represent a dangerous new chapter in the nearly 10 days of upheaval that has shaken Egypt, which has already taken a series of dramatic and unpredictable twists.


After years of tight state control, protesters emboldened by unrest in Tunisia took to the streets on Jan. 25 and mounted a once-unimaginable series of demonstrations across this nation of 80 million. Initially, police cracked down hard with brutal and deadly clashes on the demonstrators. Then police withdrew completely from the streets for the day, opening a wave of looting, armed robberies and arson — largely separate from the protests themselves — that stunned Egyptians.
But since Sunday, the army moved in to take control and the situation became more peaceful.



The military announced it would not stop protests. As a result, the demonstrations swelled dramatically, protesters gained momentum and enthusiasm and many believed Mubarak's immediate fall was at hand. The United States put intense pressure on Mubarak to bring his rule to an end while ensuring a stable handover.
 
the other thread is in the debate section and this is a breaking news story. i didn't see any other threads this fit with so i posted it. if there was already an active discussion on this, i have no problem moving the post -- the other threads appeared dormant and this is all over the news today.

i haven't even had a chance to look at the links in my facebook news yet. i'm already seeing huge differences between the reporting in the MSM and other sources and haven't even begun to check my favorite alternate sources .
 
why do i feel like i'm getting trolled here?

there are two other threads somewhat related in this and another forum -- none of them have had any posts for quite some time. there is a lot of other material popping -- such as this:
All links are here:
Mubarak Fails to Quell Protests With Departure Pledge --'Your last day will be Friday.' 01 Feb 2011 Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said he will step down after elections for a new leader, a concession rejected by opposition leaders and protesters who refuse to wait months for an end to his regime. Mubarak said he’ll stay on to ensure "stability" [?!?] and push through political and economic changes before his departure. The Cairo crowd began chanting anti-Mubarak slogans even before the president's state television broadcast was finished. "Your last day will be Friday," some shouted, referring to the day when further demonstrations are planned.
Mubarak promises to stand down at next election after 'million-strong' march demands his resignation --President Mubarak confirms he is to stand down at election --Military holding good to pledge not to fire on peaceful protesters --18,000 passengers stranded at Cairo Airport in dash to escape --Foreign Office to send charter planes tomorrow to pick up British tourists --Google provides a Twitter lifeline after last internet provider shuts down 01 Feb 2011 President Hosni Mubarak will step down at the next election, he said tonight, following a rally by an estimated million people against his political regime. The 82-year-old former general announced on television that he would not seek re-election in a ballot set to take place in September. However, he said he would stay in office until then to respond to demands for reform, in a speech which was greeted by cheers from protesters massed in Cairo's main square.
New Egyptian VP Ran Mubarak's Security Team, Oversaw Torture --Omar Suleiman Offered to Chop Off Man's Arm for CIA, Says Author 01 Feb 2011 The intelligence chief tapped by Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak as his vice president and potential successor aided the U.S. with its rendition program, intelligence experts told ABC News, and oversaw the torture of an Al Qaeda suspect whose 'information' helped justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Ron Suskind, author of the book The One Percent Doctrine, called Suleiman the "hit man" for the Mubarak regime. He told ABC News that when the CIA asked Suleiman for a DNA sample from a relative of Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Suleiman offered the man's whole arm instead.
Israeli planes carrying crowd dispersal weapons arrived in Egypt: Rights group 31 Jan 2011 The International Network for Rights and Development has claimed that Israeli logistical support has been sent to Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak to help his regime confront demonstrations. According to reports by the non-governmental organisation, three Israeli planes landed at Cairo's Mina International Airport on Saturday carrying hazardous equipment for use in dispersing and suppressing large crowds. In the statement circulated by the International Network, it was disclosed that Egyptian security forces received the complete cargoes on three Israeli planes which were, it is claimed, carrying an abundant supply of internationally proscribed gas to disperse unwanted crowds.
Looters included undercover Egyptian police, hospitals tell Human Rights Watch 01 Feb 2011 Human Rights Watch confirmed several cases of undercover police loyal to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's regime committing acts of violence and looting in an attempt to stoke fear of instability as demonstrations grew stronger Tuesday against the autocratic leader. Peter Bouckaert, the emergency director at Human Rights Watch, said hospitals confirmed that they received several wounded looters shot by the army carrying police identification cards. They also found several cases of looters and vandals in Cairo and Alexandria with police identification cards.


one more time, even more politely than the first, please either post something on topic or send your concern to the staff. perhaps you might have an opinion about the roles the CIA or mubarak's secret police are playing?
 
Well it's been 2 days and no one's interested in yet another threead about this, you should be thanking me for the tokenzs instead of throwing that tired old cliche "troll" about.:thumbup;)
nobody seems interested at all in any of the threads. it's getting worse over there and there are little cauldrons of unrest throughout the region. saw the same thing happen during the red shirt rebellion last year. get excited for a little while and then move on to the next news item.

this is just starting. i can't imagine that the desensitized over-affluent wage slave sheeple are going to be able to shine this all off if there's a massacre somewhere. just a couple dead ain't shit. just look how quickly the hubbub over the shooting in tucson quieted down -- and hardly a peep about the judge being the actual target.
 
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