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This is an article from a scientific research site I frequent (infoniac.com)

Basically, the use of bio-fuels in comparison to total ethanol based fuel replacement, will be better for the environment in regards to pollution, while at the same time increasing the risk of cancer. Read the article for yourself, it is not very long, rather blog-like. I like reading these types of articles on this particular site, then running off and invetigating the evidence.

Here it is:

The latest scientific research reveals that biofuels used in vehicles may be more harmful for human health than the petrol used today. By 2020, 10% of all transport means should run on biofuels as agreed by the EU.
The researchers invented a special computer model to determine air quality in 2020. The model showed that ozone level in some regions would grow if bioethanol was used for all cars. It would cause more ailments and asthma attacks. There naturally appears the question – why to use biofuels if it is not beneficial for the environment and human health in particular?
As showed by the study, the smog level increase meant 200 deaths more every year in the US, with only Los Angeles at risk of 120 deaths. Even if to take into account that ozone increase in some US regions would be partially compensated by its decrease in other regions, in general there would be over 700 extra complaints to accident and emergency and almost 1000 extra hospitalizations of people suffering from asthma and other respiratory ailments.
The scientists determined that the use of ethanol reduces levels of two carcinogens found in atmosphere, while increases levels of other carcinogens. Thus, cancers caused by atmospheric carcinogens would remain at the same level as caused by pollution in case of petrol fumes.
Biofuels such as ethanol and diesel are mainly produced from corn, sugarcane and rapeseed. They provide a way of diminishing greenhouse gas emissions if compared to conventional fuels. Despite the fact that biofuels produce carbon dioxide, the plants growing leads to absorption of a similar amount of the gas from the atmosphere. According to a government report, the use of biofuels would result in emissions' reducing by 50-60 % compared to petrol fuels. However, it would not be possible to have all vehicles on ethanol fuel as too much land would be required for growing the plants.
At the moment some scientists also consider the opportunity of converting all vehicles to battery-electric. The necessary amount of electricity would be supplied by wind energy. The use of battery-electric cars would keep the mankind away from 10,000 annual air pollution deaths as well as 98 % of carbon emissions produced by vehicles.
If we tried to make the conclusion, there would be no clear answers so far whether the use of biofuels will be somehow better for people's health. The controversial issue is still to be thoroughly studies by scientists.

Credit to infoniac.com
 
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The necessary amount of electricity would be supplied by wind energy. The use of battery-electric cars would keep the mankind away from 10,000 annual air pollution deaths as well as 98 % of carbon emissions produced by vehicles.


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Well poop on me!! Why didn't I ever think of that?!! Genius!!

It wouldn't take a large turbine either. You could very easily conceal two of them under the hood.

**bonks himself on head for not thinking of it first**
 

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Well poop on me!! Why didn't I ever think of that?!! Genius!!

It wouldn't take a large turbine either. You could very easily conceal two of them under the hood.

**bonks himself on head for not thinking of it first**


Battery electric cars are being developed as we speak.

What is so hard to grasp about the concept?
 

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Battery electric cars are being developed as we speak.

What is so hard to grasp about the concept?

No no, I think you're mis-understanding me.

I do know that battery powered electric cars are being developed. They have been since the 80's as far as I know.

The thing that strikes me like lightning is the idea of putting small wind turbines on board the electric vehicles. A 4" turbine moving down the freeway at 75mph can create quite the charge.

I was just commenting on how simple an idea it is, I can't believe I had never thought of it.
 

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No no, I think you're mis-understanding me.

I do know that battery powered electric cars are being developed. They have been since the 80's as far as I know.

The thing that strikes me like lightning is the idea of putting small wind turbines on board the electric vehicles. A 4" turbine moving down the freeway at 75mph can create quite the charge.

I was just commenting on how simple an idea it is, I can't believe I had never thought of it.

Ohhh:unsure: My bad:)

I apologize...truly.

It is a neat concept, Toyota is developing the first domestic use electric diesel, the next step in the evolution of electric motors. Basically the same concept as the locomotive uses now.
 

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As showed by the study, the smog level increase meant 200 deaths more every year in the US...

Is this 200 increase based upon the fact that there will be a larger population in 2020, therefore the number of deaths will be higher? Or does it adjust for the population increase and show that the rate of death is indeed increased? The raw number doesn't give me the correct information. I need to know if the rate of death has been determined to be higher based upon the varying airborne carcinogen levels.
 

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Is this 200 increase based upon the fact that there will be a larger population in 2020, therefore the number of deaths will be higher? Or does it adjust for the population increase and show that the rate of death is indeed increased? The raw number doesn't give me the correct information. I need to know if the rate of death has been determined to be higher based upon the varying airborne carcinogen levels.

I am of the understanding that population models are done, to try and reflect conditions at the projection, it's the only responsible way to do statistical science.

Basically the use of bio-diesel, and e-85 do not remove harmful carcinogens from the environment. For an abundance of reasons.

With E-85 it's obvious, as long as gasoline exists, in any mixture there are harmful by-products, there is simply no way around it, trace arsenic, mercury and other heavy metals. Along with the obvious, sulfure compounds, benzene, xylene and various blending stocks make this a great cancer cocktail.

Bio-diesel is good stuff, and has a nice ring to it. However, very bad producer of Carbon Dioxide as mentioned in the article I posted, there always exists a production of free radicals when it is combusted which is always fun, and not to mention that the production of Bio-diesel yields waste methanol and chemical lye loaded with waste esters.

I mean basically, pure ethanol (not free from sin still) or electric, possibly hydrogen would make it better.

So, Breath in short, yes, carcinogens are basically the basis for this article, just a freindly reminder that trees are a great thing, but so are we:)
 
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