At U.S. base, Iraqis must use separate latrine

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Posted on Fri, August 3, 2007
FORWARD OPERATING BASE WARHORSE, Iraq —
The sign taped to the men's latrine is just five lines:
"US MILITARY CONTRACTORS CIVILIANS ONLY!!!!!"

It needed only one: "NO IRAQIS."

Here at this searing, dusty U.S. military base about four miles west of Baqouba, Iraqis — including interpreters who walk the same foot patrols and sleep in the same tents as U.S. troops — must use segregated bathrooms.

Another sign, in a dining hall, warns Iraqis and "third-country nationals" that they have just one hour for breakfast, lunch or dinner. American troops get three hours. Iraqis say they sometimes wait as long as 45 minutes in hot lines to get inside the chow hall, leaving just 15 minutes to get their food and eat it.

It's been nearly 60 years since President Harry Truman ended racial segregation in the U.S. military. But at Forward Operating Base Warhorse it's alive and well, perhaps the only U.S. military facility with such rules, Iraqi interpreters here say.

It's unclear precisely who ordered the rules. "The rule separating local national latrines from soldiers was enacted about two to three rotations ago," Maj. Raul Marquez, a spokesman for the 3rd Brigade Combat Team of the 1st Cavalry Division, from Fort Hood, Texas, wrote in an e-mail. That was before his brigade or the 3rd Stryker Combat Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division, from Fort Lewis, Wash., the other major combat force here, was based at Warhorse.

There's also disagreement on the reason.

Marquez cited security. "We are at war, and operational security (OPSEC) and force protection are critical in this environment," Marquez wrote. "We screen all our local nationals working and living in the FOB, however, you can never know what's in their mind."

Other soldiers traced the regulations to what they called cultural differences between the Iraqis and the Americans.

"We've had issues with locals," said Staff Sgt. Oscar Garcia, who mans Warhorse's administrative hub. "It's not because we're segregating."

Garcia said some Iraqis squatted on the rims of unfamiliar American-style toilets or had used showers as toilets, forcing private contractors who maintain the facilities to clean up after them.

Another soldier at the administrative hub who declined to give his name or rank cited conflicts over hygiene habits. "We can't accept people washing their feet where I brush my teeth," he said.

"It's to keep problems from happening," said Army Capt. Janet Herrick, a public affairs officer. "It's a preventive measure . . . so no one gets belittled."
But the Iraqis who're paid $80,000 to $120,000 a year for their interpreting services are offended.

"It sucks," Ahmed Mohammed, 30, said of the latrine policy. He called the signs — in English and Arabic — "racist."

He's worked as an interpreter for the U.S. military since 2004. He's college educated and well versed in the ways of Western plumbing. He said Warhorse was the only American base where he'd encountered U.S.-only signs on latrines and country-of-origin restrictions on dining hours.

"I live in the same tent with 80 Americans," he said.

Mohammed works for L-3 Titan Group, a unit of New York-based L-3 Communications. He declined to have his picture taken for publication. He fears for his life. He said his brother was killed last year in Baghdad for working for an American company.

Mohammed has sold his house and has squirreled away enough money to buy visas for his family of four. He said he intended to quit soon and emigrate to Germany. The latrine policy is part of the reason, he said.

L-3 officials didn't respond to a request for comment
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"On one hand we're asking Iraqis to help us," often at great risk, said Laila al Qatami, spokeswoman for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Washington. "But at the same time we're saying, 'We want to keep you at a distance.' It's a mixed message we're sending.

"I don't understand having separate bathrooms. It seems to go against everything that the United States stands for."
McClatchy Washington Bureau | 08/03/2007 | At U.S. base, Iraqis must use separate latrine

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IntruderLS1

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Are you kidding me here? Seriously, do you read this, and actually buy into it? I only made it through the first few paragraphs, but I have to stop before I get sick.

The sign on the bathroom says "No US Soldiers" just as clearly as it says "No Iraqis." It's there for contractors (paid for by contractors) who need to have a private latrien because otherwise the schedules won't be stable. The TCN's only having a single hour of reserved time at the mess hall probably has more to do with the actual ratio of U.S. military vs. TCN's on base. The soldiers are standing in those same dusty lines buddy. Believe me. I've done it.
 

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First off, I've never heard of a 3 hour limit on meals. Hell, the chow hall wasn't even OPEN that long for most meals. We ate breakfast before work and dinner after work, so how long we spent there wasn't an issue. For lunch we had exactly an hour to walk the half mile to the chow hall, wait in line, eat, and walk the half mile back.

This article is such complete bullshit. I don't know why you even felt the need to post it. And like Intruder said, the article says the sign says CIVILIANS only. So if anything, it's equally discriminating against all non-contractors. We used the same bathrooms and showers as Iraqis. No segregation.
 

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First off, I've never heard of a 3 hour limit on meals. Hell, the chow hall wasn't even OPEN that long for most meals. We ate breakfast before work and dinner after work, so how long we spent there wasn't an issue. For lunch we had exactly an hour to walk the half mile to the chow hall, wait in line, eat, and walk the half mile back.

This article is such complete bullshit. I don't know why you even felt the need to post it. And like Intruder said, the article says the sign says CIVILIANS only. So if anything, it's equally discriminating against all non-contractors. We used the same bathrooms and showers as Iraqis. No segregation.

Oh, you gonna blame me for what's in the media...that's rich. :confused

I wonder why there's so much controversy over this war, maybe this will give some insight to those who don't know everything. Thanks for your contribution coz you been there, you could give us some insight rather than fight with me over my posting a questionable article...yeah, I think the article is suspect too coz when I WAS IN we ate when we could and we hardly had 3 fuckin' hours.
 

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Oh, you gonna blame me for what's in the media...that's rich. :confused

I wonder why there's so much controversy over this war, maybe this will give some insight to those who don't know everything. Thanks for your contribution coz you been there, you could give us some insight rather than fight with me over my posting a questionable article...yeah, I think the article is suspect too coz when I WAS IN we ate when we could and we hardly had 3 fuckin' hours.
I gave my insight. This article is bullshit.

If you didn't agree with the article, you shoulda stated that in your original post instead of:
Complicated war, ain't it?
 
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