an Atheist's issues with politics

[itsmeJonB]

you can probably already tell, Republicans, that this post will not be on your side, but honestly this is my problem with politics as a whole.

The first year I was able to vote, it was either for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
Bush or Kerry.
I voted for Bush for his second term so he can finish what he started, so he can clean up his own mess, how many of you can say you've done the same? (Democrats I'm talking to you as well!)
Well we know where that got us. So maybe I made the wrong choice there

I have not voted again since then (no I did not vote for Obama /shock) and do not plan on doing so and this is why.
Our country is window licking retarded. Bear with me.
We have two parties that mirror each other, color coordinate like LA gang members, and touch on issues that, as a country founded on freedom, shouldn't be touched on.

Want an opinion heres mine. Should abortion be legal in all 50 states? Yes.
Why? Because a woman's right to choose is her personal freedom.
Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person, so it is not murder...
"But religiously speaking..." I'm sorry but that argument that you just started should hold no water.
Why? Because separation of church and state is the clearest piece written in our constitution.
But I'll play your game. Fine. It is now illegal to "kill unborn children"
Not only that, but so are tattoos, alcohol, prescription medication, along with the right for women to own land and have premarital sex...
"Woah woah wait, thats not fair." Well, neither is your mentality.

Republicans, I know you wont like this the most but please listen. Killing is wrong.
Hear that Texas? So why do you have the death penalty? The reddest fucking state too.
"But they're bad people!" Who are you to judge, not only does the Bible tell you not to, but 'Jesus' himself forgave those who killed him, murdered him. He did not ask his 'Father' to put them to death.

I want gay marriage legalized, I am not gay but doesnt every person have the freedom to do what they want in a Free Country?
And how about all those non-aborted babies, what if they grow up to be gay? You saved their lives after all, shouldnt they have the right to now live the life they want?
"The Bible says homosexuality is wrong" Well then, lets stone disrespectful children to death.

My religion should not come into question when running for office, my morality should. Judging my morality by whether if I believe what i read in a 2000 year old book is not exactly the way of doing it.

W. Bush was beloved by Christians! He kept us safe!
He also lead us into war with a speech that said "God spoke to me, He told me this was the right thing to do."
I'm sorry but that is utter insanity.

My issue with politics is that its full of contradictions. You want a free country? get off your religious soap box, accept that the rich shouldnt be getting richer as the poor get poorer, and do something Christlike for once.
I've never seen someone practice what they preach and still back politics 100%

Happy Easter

 

[Dana]

you can probably already tell, Republicans, that this post will not be on your side, but honestly this is my problem with politics as a whole.

The first year I was able to vote, it was either for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
Bush or Kerry.
I voted for Bush for his second term so he can finish what he started, so he can clean up his own mess, how many of you can say you've done the same? (Democrats I'm talking to you as well!)
Well we know where that got us. So maybe I made the wrong choice there

I have not voted again since then (no I did not vote for Obama /shock) and do not plan on doing so and this is why.
Our country is window licking retarded. Bear with me.
We have two parties that mirror each other, color coordinate like LA gang members, and touch on issues that, as a country founded on freedom, shouldn't be touched on.

Want an opinion heres mine. Should abortion be legal in all 50 states? Yes.
Why? Because a woman's right to choose is her personal freedom.
Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person, so it is not murder...
"But religiously speaking..." I'm sorry but that argument that you just started should hold no water.
Why? Because separation of church and state is the clearest piece written in our constitution.
But I'll play your game. Fine. It is now illegal to "kill unborn children"
Not only that, but so are tattoos, alcohol, prescription medication, along with the right for women to own land and have premarital sex...
"Woah woah wait, thats not fair." Well, neither is your mentality.

Republicans, I know you wont like this the most but please listen. Killing is wrong.
Hear that Texas? So why do you have the death penalty? The reddest fucking state too.
"But they're bad people!" Who are you to judge, not only does the Bible tell you not to, but 'Jesus' himself forgave those who killed him, murdered him. He did not ask his 'Father' to put them to death.

I want gay marriage legalized, I am not gay but doesnt every person have the freedom to do what they want in a Free Country?
And how about all those non-aborted babies, what if they grow up to be gay? You saved their lives after all, shouldnt they have the right to now live the life they want?
"The Bible says homosexuality is wrong" Well then, lets stone disrespectful children to death.

My religion should not come into question when running for office, my morality should. Judging my morality by whether if I believe what i read in a 2000 year old book is not exactly the way of doing it.

W. Bush was beloved by Christians! He kept us safe!
He also lead us into war with a speech that said "God spoke to me, He told me this was the right thing to do."
I'm sorry but that is utter insanity.

My issue with politics is that its full of contradictions. You want a free country? get off your religious soap box, accept that the rich shouldnt be getting richer as the poor get poorer, and do something Christlike for once.
I've never seen someone practice what they preach and still back politics 100%

Happy Easter

I'm not religious or political, in fact politics can fuck itself in the ass. I do however believe in a higher power and I agree with everything I bolded that you said. Voting is a civic duty. But I believe the vote of the average peon doesn't count in the long run but I vote because it's the duty of the American adult to show support for your country no matter how much you disagree with things that are being done. You're probably not making it easy on yourself expressing you don't vote. The only reason, the only thing that should keep an individual from voting is job interference.

 

[itsmeJonB]

I'm not religious or political, in fact politics can fuck itself in the ass. I do however believe in a higher power and I agree with everything I bolded that you said. Voting is a civic duty. But I believe the vote of the average peon doesn't count in the long run but I vote because it's the duty of the American adult to show support for your country no matter how much you disagree with things that are being done. You're probably not making it easy on yourself expressing you don't vote. The only reason, the only thing that should keep an individual from voting is job interference.

I'm not sure what you mean. I am not making it easy on myself because I dont vote?
Not making a decision is the easiest decision I ever made

 

[Accountable]

you can probably already tell, Republicans, that this post will not be on your side, but honestly this is my problem with politics as a whole.

The first year I was able to vote, it was either for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
Bush or Kerry.
I voted for Bush for his second term so he can finish what he started, so he can clean up his own mess, how many of you can say you've done the same? (Democrats I'm talking to you as well!)
Well we know where that got us. So maybe I made the wrong choice there

I have not voted again since then (no I did not vote for Obama /shock) and do not plan on doing so and this is why.
Our country is window licking retarded. Bear with me.
We have two parties that mirror each other, color coordinate like LA gang members, and touch on issues that, as a country founded on freedom, shouldn't be touched on.

:clap The Party don't want you to know about them, but there are other choices.

Want an opinion heres mine. Should abortion be legal in all 50 states? Yes.
Why? Because a woman's right to choose is her personal freedom.
Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person, so it is not murder...
"But religiously speaking..." I'm sorry but that argument that you just started should hold no water.
Why? Because separation of church and state is the clearest piece written in our constitution.
But I'll play your game. Fine. It is now illegal to "kill unborn children"
Not only that, but so are tattoos, alcohol, prescription medication, along with the right for women to own land and have premarital sex...
"Woah woah wait, thats not fair." Well, neither is your mentality.

"Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person"?? There's a scientific definition for Person? What is a person, scientifically speaking?

Republicans, I know you wont like this the most but please listen. Killing is wrong.
Hear that Texas? So why do you have the death penalty? The reddest fucking state too.
"But they're bad people!" Who are you to judge, not only does the Bible tell you not to, but 'Jesus' himself forgave those who killed him, murdered him. He did not ask his 'Father' to put them to death.

I was seriously confused for a sec, but then I remembered the thread title & the angle you're coming from. Carry on.

I want gay marriage legalized, I am not gay but doesnt every person have the freedom to do what they want in a Free Country?
And how about all those non-aborted babies, what if they grow up to be gay? You saved their lives after all, shouldnt they have the right to now live the life they want?
"The Bible says homosexuality is wrong" Well then, lets stone disrespectful children to death.

I like your sense of humor. You're aware that gay marriage isn't illegal, right? I don't know of anybody who was arrested for getting married ... oh yeh, except for bigamy, but I think that shouldn't be prohibited either.

My religion should not come into question when running for office, my morality should. Judging my morality by whether if I believe what i read in a 2000 year old book is not exactly the way of doing it.

AMEN! :nod:

. Bush was beloved by Christians! He kept us safe!
He also lead us into war with a speech that said "God spoke to me, He told me this was the right thing to do."
I'm sorry but that is utter insanity.

My issue with politics is that its full of contradictions. You want a free country? get off your religious soap box, accept that the rich shouldnt be getting richer as the poor get poorer, and do something Christlike for once.
I've never seen someone practice what they preach and still back politics 100%

Happy Easter

I don't understand the richer/poorer/Christlike sentence.

 

[itsmeJonB]

:clap The Party don't want you to know about them, but there are other choices.

"Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person"?? There's a scientific definition for Person? What is a person, scientifically speaking?

I was seriously confused for a sec, but then I remembered the thread title & the angle you're coming from. Carry on.

I like your sense of humor. You're aware that gay marriage isn't illegal, right? I don't know of anybody who was arrested for getting married ... oh yeh, except for bigamy, but I think that shouldn't be prohibited either.

AMEN! :nod:

I don't understand the richer/poorer/Christlike sentence.

its easily disputed that the things we do in this country for our people come last. we help dying children in all parts of the world, our world. Yet the US sees no help from their own people. I apologize for the mumbled jumble of incoherency, but I am not a political person. I have issues with what I see in it. The stances taken from it. The issues brought up every election time.
It's quite simple really. And by poor I mean poor. I mean living in the streets, broke, and walked over poor. Why arent we helping them first?

 

[Accountable]

its easily disputed that the things we do in this country for our people come last. we help dying children in all parts of the world, our world. Yet the US sees no help from their own people. I apologize for the mumbled jumble of incoherency, but I am not a political person. I have issues with what I see in it. The stances taken from it. The issues brought up every election time.
It's quite simple really. And by poor I mean poor. I mean living in the streets, broke, and walked over poor. Why arent we helping them first?

I can definitely stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you on that.

 

[Azazel]

a giant douche or a turd sandwich.

 

[brieze]

There's literally a South Park moment for every situation in life.

 

[brieze]

"Scientifically speaking, a fetus is not a person"?? There's a scientific definition for Person? What is a person, scientifically speaking?

Not a fetus. That's why there is two words. Religious groups may disagree, but their views shouldn't hold sway over the women with different outlooks.

 

[Accountable]

Not a fetus. That's why there is two words. Religious groups may disagree, but their views shouldn't hold sway over the women with different outlooks.

That's a nice not-an-answer.

 

[Dana]

Oh and so I don't get accused of making a comment and not responding. I just think theres something off about someone who doesn't vote. It sounds like a cop out to me. Do you just not vote on national elections or do you not vote on local issues as well?

 

[Dana]

That's a nice not-an-answer.

Some animals have the ability to naturally abort a fetus depending on conditions when they concieve ie whether they got enough to eat during a winter or not. Just because women can't do it naturally means they shouldn't? The skill and medical advance is there I say use it.

 

[Panacea]

The first year I was able to vote, it was either for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
Bush or Kerry.
I voted for Bush for his second term so he can finish what he started, so he can clean up his own mess, how many of you can say you've done the same? (Democrats I'm talking to you as well!)
Well we know where that got us. So maybe I made the wrong choice there

Same here, exactly, lol at the description. So true.

Our country is window licking retarded. Bear with me.

That is pretty much all that needs to be said

My issue with politics is that its full of contradictions. You want a free country? get off your religious soap box, accept that the rich shouldnt be getting richer as the poor get poorer, and do something Christlike for once.

I agree with what you've said, though I will say life is full of contradictions. I know a Libertarian who is anti-choice, anti-choice people who are pro-death penalty (I guess only good and potential good lives need saving, according to their specific standard, go figure), and tons of other contradictions on both sides though I cannot think of one on the other side at the moment hehe. One will come to me I know.

It's to be expected, I just really don't want these people in charge of making rules. Ya...

 

[itsmeJonB]

Oh and so I don't get accused of making a comment and not responding. I just think theres something off about someone who doesn't vote. It sounds like a cop out to me. Do you just not vote on national elections or do you not vote on local issues as well?

I vote on local issues, its presidential elections that I have no intent on voting on.
If I disagree with both sides why vote? I don't see the point of playing a game that can't be won

 

[Zorak]

I vote on local issues, its presidential elections that I have no intent on voting on.
If I disagree with both sides why vote? I don't see the point of playing a game that can't be won

:homo:

Voting for votings sakes makes a bit of a mockery out of democracy.

But then, voting for the losing side makes a mockery out of yourself :surrender

 

[Dana]

I try to vote for the lesser of the two evils but really you never know true intentions until they take office.

 

[retro]

I'll simply say that choosing not to vote removes your right to bitch about the way things are going in the country. You chose not to take advantage of your civic duty to vote for the person that you believe would do the best job in the office they are running for. While the two major candidates in 2008 were Obama and McCain, there were third party options out there as well. I voted for the Libertarian candidate, Bob Barr, because I felt that he would do the best job as President. In 2004, I voted for the Libertarian candidate as well, Michael Badnarik. If more people would vote like that, then perhaps we could make a dent in the stranglehold that the two sides of the same coin parties have on our local, state, and federal governments.

 

[brieze]

That's a nice not-an-answer.

That's about the most direct answer ever because I bet I know where you're trying to go with this. Probably the 'who are you to say what is and is not considered a person' point, right? It's irrelevant because this is not a theocracy country and laws should not be based around religious teachings.

Oh and so I don't get accused of making a comment and not responding. I just think theres something off about someone who doesn't vote. It sounds like a cop out to me. Do you just not vote on national elections or do you not vote on local issues as well?

Oh thanks lol. I've been of age to vote for one election now and chose not to vote in it. I believe it doesn't really matter who is president.

 

[HK]

It's all very well to say 'you can vote for a third party' but I've seen how your elections go and you'd never know a third party was even an option sometimes. I can see how it feels like a throwaway to bother voting for them. It's similar over here - your choices are Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democrat. There are other options, like the Green Party, but voting for them is basically pointless, because hardly anyone else does.

I don't think religion should have anything to do with the law. Especially since in this day and age, the majority are no longer religious, and even those who are, aren't all of the same beliefs. I'd far rather have an atheist Prime Minister who was making decisions based on the common good, than a religious one who was making decisions based not on what they might think is right but what their belief system dictates.

 

[retro]

It's all very well to say 'you can vote for a third party' but I've seen how your elections go and you'd never know a third party was even an option sometimes. I can see how it feels like a throwaway to bother voting for them. It's similar over here - your choices are Conservative, Labour or Liberal Democrat. There are other options, like the Green Party, but voting for them is basically pointless, because hardly anyone else does.

That's the attitude that perpetuates the issue with other parties being perceived as not viable. If you decide not to vote for them because it's throwing your vote away, then you just continue the cycle. It's not about voting for who you think is the lesser of two evils, but about who you feel is the best qualified to do the job as you believe it should be done. Call me an idealist if you like, but that's how I see the issue. You're only throwing your vote away if you view it like that. If you don't, then you're sending a statement that you don't like the candidates that were presented by the two major parties, and if enough people actually stand up and vote their convictions, then perhaps it can affect a change.