America's Christian Foundation:

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I know it's the new cool thing to play up some of the more secular ideas of the founding of this country. (I don't know how I got to thinking about this tonight)

It's always bothered me, but I wasn't able to put my finger on it until just a few minutes ago.

You can fill a book with bits and pieces of scattered information to make the case that the founding fathers of America were non-believers, but you can fill a library with joined, whole information that says they were.

I heard an interesting statistic earlier. "Ninety-four percent of America's founding era documents mention the Bible; 34 percent quote the Bible directly."

I'm sure I'll hear that "It was old times, and they HAD to act like that in order to make the people happy."

Okay, even though there is no evidence of this, lets just play pretend like that was the truth. The United States has a government of representation. So lets go further on to say that the 70 men or so that get credit for being "The founding fathers" did not believe the way they claim they did. Would that really matter? They were representing people who would apparently have thrown them out on their butts if they thought differently. :eek

Again, I don't know how I got to thinking about this tonight... it just popped into my head for some reason. Thought I'd like to go a few rounds on it with somebody. I'm ready to go to the history books this time. :D

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Its an undeniable fact that the concepts and ideas that were used to help found this country were based upon renaissance ideals, which were heavily borrowed by the founding fathers to write such documents, and those ideals were pretty secular and humanistic.

Anyone who knows anything about American history will tell you that none of them were atheists. Agnostics? Perhaps, but not pure disbelievers. It is the case however, that most of the important ones were deists, though. A very common and popular stance on beliefs that most men of enlightenment took. So if you see the word "god" or "creator" it could very well be that they aren't talking about the christian god, at all.


I would be interested in seeing what those "94% of founding documents mentioning the bible" are, though. Where did you get that statistic from?
 
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Scott, you may be interested in reading this book: Click Here

from the Harvard Library titled
Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States ...

By Benjamin Franklin Morris

It was published in 1864. It is over a 1,000 page book, so you may want to buy it instead of reading the whole thing online. What I've read so for is very interesting. There is nothing like reading a history book from history. It certainly beats reading a modern day 're-writing history' book. ;)

Sidenote to Scott: Here is something crazy for you to wrap your mind around: My son's friend's history book from school has a picture of men and women and different races of people at the signing of The Declaration of Independence. What a joke, eh?
 
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You could say that the religious people of early America were the foundation who built it up...but thats different from saying America was founded on religion, which is pretty obvious that it wasn't.
 
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Geez... My computer is crapped out. My video card won't run my monitor out of the blue. :(

I'll be back as soon as I can.
 
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**Sigh**

Well, I stayed up late last night troubleshooting the computer. It looks like my motherboard actually crapped out on me.

haha. I'm so bummed. I have to take the system apart, and RMA the board. I'll be out for a few weeks. :(

I was looking forward to this particular thread, but I'll be back.
 
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IntruderLS1 said:
I know it's the new cool thing to play up some of the more secular ideas of the founding of this country. (I don't know how I got to thinking about this tonight)

It's always bothered me, but I wasn't able to put my finger on it until just a few minutes ago.

You can fill a book with bits and pieces of scattered information to make the case that the founding fathers of America were non-believers, but you can fill a library with joined, whole information that says they were.

I heard an interesting statistic earlier. "Ninety-four percent of America's founding era documents mention the Bible; 34 percent quote the Bible directly."

I'm sure I'll hear that "It was old times, and they HAD to act like that in order to make the people happy."

Okay, even though there is no evidence of this, lets just play pretend like that was the truth. The United States has a government of representation. So lets go further on to say that the 70 men or so that get credit for being "The founding fathers" did not believe the way they claim they did. Would that really matter? They were representing people who would apparently have thrown them out on their butts if they thought differently. :eek

Again, I don't know how I got to thinking about this tonight... it just popped into my head for some reason. Thought I'd like to go a few rounds on it with somebody. I'm ready to go to the history books this time. :D

Thoughts?
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God.

There. I mentioned God in my post, yet I don't believe in him.

How is this any different from your statistical data?
 
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