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Why the Taliban Thrive in Pakistan
Why is Pakistan’s commercial hub less stable than ever?

By The Globalist, May 28, 2014


The various wars in Afghanistan and the related, ongoing destabilization in Pakistan have forced the migrations of millions of Pashtun.

2. Decades of migration out of the Pashtun homeland straddling the Afghan-Pakistani border turned Karachi into the largest Pashtun population center in the world.

3. Some 5 million citizens of Pashtun origin now reside in Karachi, Pakistan’s commercial heart.

4. It is the city’s Pashtun areas that have come under Taliban influence, giving them an urban foothold in Pakistan.

From Why the Taliban Thrive in Pakistan by Saeed Shah (Wall Street Journal)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323501004578388851181283618

A funeral ceremony is held in Karachi on March 4 for victims of a car bombing that killed at least 48 people in a Shiite area. Police officials blamed the attack on the Pakistani Taliban. European Pressphoto Agency

KARACHI, Pakistan—Large neighborhoods in Pakistan's biggest metropolis have fallen under the control of the Taliban over the past year, according to residents and officials here, a development that could disrupt the country's economy and endanger the U.S. military pullout from Afghanistan.

The Pakistani Taliban, a movement that was spawned by the Afghan Taliban but now operates separately, are now the dominant force in entire districts of this sprawling city of 20 million people, residents said. The group has established tribal courts, operates extortion rackets and stages terrorist attacks in the city, the economic heart of Pakistan and its only major port.

If the Taliban reign spreads, coalition convoys withdrawing supplies through Karachi will have to contend with the militants, said Haider Abbas Rizvi, deputy parliamentary leader from Karachi's dominant political party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, or MQM. "This is a crucial moment for Karachi. The Taliban has the potential to grab any area of Karachi whenever they feel like."

The Taliban movement, allied with al Qaeda and based in the Waziristan tribal area along the Afghan border, seeks to "capture not only Karachi but the whole country," Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said. "Karachi is a big stronghold for us. People come to us voluntarily to get their problems solved."

Chaudhry Aslam, a senior counterterrorism police officer in Karachi, blamed the Taliban for attacks including a March 3 bombing at an apartment block targeting the minority Shiite population that killed at least 48 people and injured 180. Mr. Aslam, however, said the group didn't control any part of the city. "There aren't any no-go areas for the police. While we still have one drop of blood left, we won't let these Taliban tarnish our religion or destabilize our country," he said.

But the Taliban are so confident of their standing that they have put up posters in some districts with phone numbers to call for residents who need their help, especially to complain about criminal activity. Karachi has been racked for decades by political violence and organized crime, with many of the main political parties here operating their own extortion gangs. The Taliban are relatively more appealing, at least to fellow members of the Pashtun ethnic group.

"We know the culture of the Taliban and can reason with them, to some extent," said a Pashtun truck driver who moves concrete bricks around Korangi, a neighborhood dominated by the MQM, which represents the Mohajir community of Muslim refugees hailing from India.

The Taliban also play a role in resolving business disputes for profit. "If the Taliban phone me, I'll go within two minutes, or I'll soon be dead," said a businessman in a Taliban-controlled neighborhood. While Waziristan Taliban are known for long hair and beards, in Karachi they could be clean-shaven and even wear Western clothing, he said.

Decades of migration from the Pashtun heartland on the two sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border have turned Karachi into the largest Pashtun population center in the world, with some 5 million citizens of Pashtun origin. It is the city's Pashtun areas that have come under Taliban influence.

The secular Awami National Party, which used to dominate Karachi's Pashtun neighborhoods, has been forced out of these areas over the past year. In recent months, around 35 ANP workers were killed and the party abandoned some 30 offices in Karachi, said Shahi Syed, the ANP's provincial chief and a member of the Pakistani Senate. "The Taliban have come to Karachi. The old criminals here have also joined them. They are running a whole system here," he said. "Tomorrow the whole city will be paying them."

With national elections due on May 11, the ANP—part of the departing central government coalition—faces potential extinction in Karachi. Its flags have been torn down in its constituencies. "If we can't even hold a rally, how can you call this a free and fair election?" Mr. Syed said.

Security forces launch regular operations against Taliban strongholds in the city. A crackdown on Thursday in a Pashtun area known as Frontier Colony, in the west of the city, brought over 100 arrests, according to news reports. The chief of the Pakistani Taliban in Karachi, Khan Zaman Mehsud, recently fled to Waziristan, Mr. Aslam, the counterterrorism police officer, said.

But in many Pashtun areas, where locals say regular patrols by police are rare, residents said they take their problems to the Taliban to solve. The Pashtuns tend to live in poor, rundown neighborhoods on the fringes of Karachi, especially in its northern reaches, where roads lead out of the city. There, Taliban have recruited thugs and taken on foot soldiers from the many illiterate young men who would find it hard to get jobs, residents said.

The Taliban use young boys as their spies, and to deliver extortion demands, which often come as a written notes, residents said.

In one incident in early January, a milk seller was robbed at his house in Pakhtunabad, a ramshackle settlement in the city's northern outskirts. Four robbers took away a pistol and 3,000 rupees ($30), equivalent to perhaps two weeks' earnings, three witnesses said.

The victim, who recognized the men, reported the crime to police, and then called the Taliban on one of the phone numbers written on fliers and posters that had been distributed in the neighborhood a few days earlier.

That same day, two masked men appeared at the milk seller's house on a motorbike and questioned him, the witnesses said. The next night, he was visited by the district Taliban chief, Ismail Mehsud, who then phoned the thieves. They appeared within minutes of his summons, outside the milk seller's tiny house. The Taliban chief beat them in the street and instructed them to return the money and pistol, according to the witnesses. The following day, the stolen property was returned.

"The Taliban steal from us," one of the milkman's neighbors said, "and then they also get our money back."

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.......................
KARACHI, Pakistan—Large neighborhoods in Pakistan's biggest metropolis have fallen under the control of the Taliban over the past year, according to residents and officials here, a development that could disrupt the country's economy and endanger the U.S. military pullout from Afghanistan.
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Just another example of you not reading what you copy and paste in this forum.

You just proved you lied about the Taliban not being in Karachi ;)
 

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Just another example of you not reading what you copy and paste in this forum.

You just proved you lied about the Taliban not being in Karachi ;)

Evidently truth seems bitter to you...
Read the article again,,,Taliban are found only in a few areas in Karachi ...and I don't live in those areas...

America has also seemingly surrendered to Taliban demand and released several of their dangerous commanders in exchange for the last captive american POW.....

I f a super power like America supported by her strong allies can relent to the Taliban it leaves No justification for you to condemn Pak ...or us.
It seems Taliban have proven too strong for America as well and It's America which has thrust this evil on us....and is now trying to back out from ots abstract WAR on Terrier!!!
 

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Evidently truth seems bitter to you...
Read the article again,,,Taliban are found only in a few areas in Karachi ...and I don't live in those areas...

America has also seemingly surrendered to Taliban demand and released several of their dangerous commanders in exchange for the last captive american POW.....

I f a super power like America supported by her strong allies can relent to the Taliban it leaves No justification for you to condemn Pak ...or us.
It seems Taliban have proven too strong for America as well and It's America which has thrust this evil on us....and is now trying to back out from ots abstract WAR on Terrier!!!


I suggest you read your article again :D



You must have missed this...( it's the beginning of the article :D )

KARACHI, Pakistan—Large neighborhoods in Pakistan's biggest metropolis have fallen under the control of the Taliban over the past year, according to residents and officials here, a development that could disrupt the country's economy and endanger the U.S. military pullout from Afghanistan.

Looks like a very BIG deal


And you did claim there were NO Taliban in Karachi ;)
 

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Lol maz..first you claim they are not there..now we have a thread in regard to them thriving there.

They leave phone numbers on poles and such and you still cant catch them...Your pk security forces are a joke.
Whats even funnier is people call them to report crime..as your pk security forces are just that lame.
You live in a terrorist supporting nation...these terrorists can freely post contact information in public areas....your pk forces are so corrupt many choose to use the tb other than the pk security forces.
Stone is right...you live in a shit hole.
 

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If I may ask...how long have you been a terrorist supporter maz. ...what event or events occurred that caused you to become a terrorist supporter.
 

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If I may ask...how long have you been a terrorist supporter maz. ...what event or events occurred that caused you to become a terrorist supporter.

Now don't say Obama is also a 'terrorist' supporter for having exchanged one captive American soldier by releasing a coterie of dangerous Taliban commanders!
That would be most idiotic of you, moron!
Obama did the right thing,..for peace!
 

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Chips of the same Block!

Taliban+Qazi Hussain.jpg Rare picture of peace talks amongst Afghan factions: Late Qazi Hussain Ahmad, Late Ahmad Shah Masood and Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, Presidential candidate of Afghanistan are seen together with other leaders. —
 

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Lol maz..first you claim they are not there..now we have a thread in regard to them thriving there.

They leave phone numbers on poles and such and you still cant catch them...Your pk security forces are a joke.
Whats even funnier is people call them to report crime..as your pk security forces are just that lame.
You live in a terrorist supporting nation...these terrorists can freely post contact information in public areas....your pk forces are so corrupt many choose to use the tb other than the pk security forces.
Stone is right...you live in a shit hole.


You are full of shit, your crony stony too!

Keep rejoicing at your dung hill.....trembling with phobic anxiety that you presume with terrorism
 

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I suggest you read your article again :D



You must have missed this...( it's the beginning of the article :D )



Looks like a very BIG deal


And you did claim there were NO Taliban in Karachi ;)


Karachi is very big city,,,,,,infact one of the biggest cities in the world!
According to rough estimates (no real estimate is available!) it has a multi ethnic and multi cultural population of more than 25 Million.
As I told you many times before that the Afghans and Pashtuns are cousin brothers and it's hard to recognize who is who as they have almost the same culture and can speak Pushtu ...All Pashtuns are not terrorists but they are assumed to be so...They live in kinda China towns ( or let me call them Pathan towns or Afghan Basti?)..........mostly in the suburbs of Karachi...

As a consequence of counter productiveness of your war on terror which made millions of Afghan and Pashtun civilian refugees seek asylum in Pak I don't say that some terrorists too might have infiltrated their columns..
There are other terrorists groups not related to Taliban which are also active in Karachi,,,,being the biggest port and industrial and business center of Pakistan!
Law enforcing agencies are doing their best to crush them,,,while you keep scratching your balls or sucking at my hairy ones!

More than 12 years of warring has got you nothing but disgrace....
It hasn't brought any peace to the region or the world and warring never will..
Only it will play havoc on your economy...and you might come to Pakistan begging from me!! Well, i promise to help you financially as well as otherwise but plz mind it we don't have big black burly ass fucking dogs to keep your other desires fulfilled!

Look at the preceding picture of the Taliban leaders ...doesn't Dr Abdullah Abdullah ashame you for being your chosen candidate for presidentship of Afghanistan??
 

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Now don't say Obama is also a 'terrorist' supporter for having exchanged one captive American soldier by releasing a coterie of dangerous Taliban commanders!
That would be most idiotic of you, moron!
Obama did the right thing,..for peace!


That wasn't The Man's question.

Why are you a terrorist supporter and there is a greater and more dangerous group of terrorists that you also sympathize with, than the Taliban......al Qaeda.....why and how long have you supported them?
 

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Karachi is very big city,,,,,,infact one of the biggest cities in the world!
According to rough estimates (no real estimate is available!) it has a multi ethnic and multi cultural population of more than 25 Million.
As I told you many times before that the Afghans and Pashtuns are cousin brothers and it's hard to recognize who is who as they have almost the same culture and can speak Pushtu ...All Pashtuns are not terrorists but they are assumed to be so...They live in kinda China towns ( or let me call them Pathan towns or Afghan Basti?)..........mostly in the suburbs of Karachi...

As a consequence of counter productiveness of your war on terror which made millions of Afghan and Pashtun civilian refugees seek asylum in Pak I don't say that some terrorists too might have infiltrated their columns..
There are other terrorists groups not related to Taliban which are also active in Karachi,,,,being the biggest port and industrial and business center of Pakistan!
Law enforcing agencies are doing their best to crush them,,,while you keep scratching your balls or sucking at my hairy ones!

More than 12 years of warring has got you nothing but disgrace....
It hasn't brought any peace to the region or the world and warring never will..
Only it will play havoc on your economy...and you might come to Pakistan begging from me!! Well, i promise to help you financially as well as otherwise but plz mind it we don't have big black burly ass fucking dogs to keep your other desires fulfilled!

Look at the preceding picture of the Taliban leaders ...doesn't Dr Abdullah Abdullah ashame you for being your chosen candidate for presidentship of Afghanistan??


Do you think coming clean now after you inadvertently posted a contradiction to your previous claims absolves you from lying to the forum?
It's not like this is the first time, mazHur Butt, the terrorist loving, racist pervert ;)
 

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You are full of shit, your crony stony too!

Keep rejoicing at your dung hill.....trembling with phobic anxiety that you presume with terrorism


It was your claim that no Taliban existed in Karachi and your opening post in this thread that outed your own lie.

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KARACHI, Pakistan—Large neighborhoods in Pakistan's biggest metropolis have fallen under the control of the Taliban over the past year, according to residents and officials here, a development that could disrupt the country's economy and endanger the U.S. military pullout from Afghanistan.
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You did all that on your own......moron :D
 

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Do you think coming clean now after you inadvertently posted a contradiction to your previous claims absolves you from lying to the forum?
It's not like this is the first time, mazHur Butt, the terrorist loving, racist pervert ;)


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Do you think coming clean now after you inadvertently posted a contradiction to your previous claims absolves you from lying to the forum?
It's not like this is the first time, mazHur Butt, the terrorist loving, racist pervert ;)
 

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That wasn't The Man's question.

Why are you a terrorist supporter and there is a greater and more dangerous group of terrorists that you also sympathize with, than the Taliban......al Qaeda.....why and how long have you supported them?

are you Man's shit eater? don't try to be his mouthpiece. Let him talk for hisself/

If Obama could be said to be a terrorist supporter by virtue of his present act then I don't mind if you called me too one.

Do you know the diff between Al Quaida and the Taliban? No? You dickhead don't even know what you are talking about.
 
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