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I watched Michael Moore being interviewed on Piers last night. Pity more of you didn't share his egotistical, hypocritical views. He's either a fantastic actor, or he really does care about whats happening over there.

It is a wonderful feeling to not live in fear....to not have to be in that "protection mode" 24 hours a day.
 
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Because we're better shots.


If you were that good "shots" you wouldnt need multiple guns that shoot shitloads of bullets in a second....one shot, one bullet should be enough.

Real answer is "coz you can"...your more interested in "personal rights" than a "societies general safety" is the way I see it

Anyway...same old same old....I'll leave ya's to it. YEEHAW
 

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They are to my tax dollars. My firearms haven't cost you a dime.

I do like the fanaticism baiting game though. :thumbup:

I probably own more guns and ammo than you do. What is this "fanaticism baiting game" you speak of?

What percent of your tax dollars goes to food stamps versus the percentage that goes to the legal system due to gun crimes and gun accidents and medical treatment of those without health insurance who suffer gun wounds?
 

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You still don't get it do you? It's not about how crazy someone is or how many people they were able to kill with a gun in one spree... It has to do with the amount of gun deaths we have here in the states. Here are the countries you listed above and how many gun deaths per 100,000 population. So these are apples to apples comparisons here.

Norway = 4.4 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

South Korea = .1 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

Australia = 2.9 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

Israel = 3 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

Japan = .1 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

United States = 10.3 gun related deaths per 100,000 population

The question comes back to why is the US so damn high in these numbers? Hell, we are almost as bad as Mexico with their 12.1 deaths per 100,000

oh I do get it. My point which I figured would be missed is that there is some nasty shit with guns in other countries that have pretty strict gun controls.

In case you forgot I live in the burbs of one of the most notorious for gun crimes. In the case of Detroit there is a good reason for that. Not so sure about other places.

don't get me wrong Tim. We probably are more in tune on this than you might think. I am not one that is for uncontrolled access to guns. Honest law abiding citizens FOR THE MOST PART are not the problem in the US. An honest discussion would address how we keep nuts from getting guns and how criminals get guns.
 

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Really? Why DO you need so many guns then, and why DO you need one in your arsenal that shoots so many....and yeah...I admit I know nothing about guns...(not ashamed of that at all)

Maybe this will help you understand.

People can own a car as basic transportation.
Others may own a Ferrari that can go 0-60 in under 4 seconds which is more than they will ever need.
Others still have an entire garage filled with fast cars, loud cars and cars that don't even run, but they collect them because everyone is different and unique. To own them is not necessary, but it's fun to take them out once in a while and tear down the street.
 

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OK....But I shall apply your analogy to my shoe collection. Both, (shoes and cars) have been used as weapons before too.;)

And I will never understand how it could be "fun" to fire a gun of any kind...but...each to his own I guess


Now...stop making me come back here....
 

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Actually it a LOT of fun shooting. I have never taken someone shooting before that didn't beg to go back when we were done. It's an amazing thrill and you need to have skill and technique to hit your target. Unless you have been shooting before, it's very hard to explain.
 

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Ah good old Michael Moore. The hypocrite who is America's conscience. Who never lets the facts interfere with a good story. These are not exactly these places are known for massive hoarding of guns.

We do have a lot of gun deaths here. We also have a pretty large population.

Classic case of 'shoot the messenger'.

Be brave for once and fully absorb the truth. ONE massacre is one too many. Don't try to excuse repeat failure. By claiming that it happens more in America because America has a bigger population will not bring the dead back.
 

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Latest claims by Fox are a little bit disturbing.

The man accused of Friday's movie theatre massacre in Colorado mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to a University of Colorado psychiatrist before the attack, FoxNews.com has reported.
The package allegedly from the suspected shooter, 24-year-old James Eagan Holmes, remained unopened in a mailroom for as long as a week before its discovery Monday, FoxNews.com reported, citing a law enforcement source.

[FONT=Droid Sans, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I'm waiting to see if a credible news agency can corroborate this claim.[/FONT]
 

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Really? Why DO you need so many guns then, and why DO you need one in your arsenal that shoots so many....and yeah...I admit I know nothing about guns...(not ashamed of that at all)

You hit one of the problems right on the head.

Most people who are anti gun know ABSOLUTELY nothing about them other than they go bang and they kill.

You also apparently haven't read any other of my previous posts where I stated that I have no qualms with "raising the standards" on how people acquire certain firearms. The problem becomes who sets those "standards" and how those standards are applied, and ensuring that those who enforce those standards don't abuse their authority. This is one reason why IMO that people who own firearms in the United States are afraid to give up what they already have per "gun rights". Give the government a inch, and they will take a yard. This is a fear that I can complete agree with and understand.

Do I believe that owning any type of firearm is a "right" that should not be regulated? No. However, once you start walking down the road of "regulation" and giving power to those who enforce those regulations, you start a chain of events that usually are impossible to reverse. Those in power rarely like to give that power up.

Do you have ANY clue as to why the assault rifle ban that was enacted in the 90's in the U.S (that has since expired) was a complete joke, and that the only thing it did was make more money for people? Probably not. Do you even know what an "assault rifle" is? Probably not. Heck, I would consider myself having more knowledge than the average person on firearms and at times I'm not certain I know what an assault rifle is LOL

Ignorance is a two way street.

Would I live in fear without ANY firearms in my possession? No (honestly, one time, at 0100 into Camden NJ by mistake). A gun is nothing more than a tool designed to kill and should be treated with the utmost respect.

You would also be amazed at what kind of damage a knife can do if someone knows how to use it.
 
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Would I live in fear without ANY firearms in my possession? No (honestly, one time, at 0100 into Camden NJ by mistake). A gun is nothing more than a tool designed to kill and should be treated with the utmost respect.

I agree with this statement completely. What seems lost in most debates is the laws which are already on the books are not equally enforced. Someone willing to kill others will do their utmost to acquire what they want including breaking other laws too. You are correct government regulations never err on the side of just enough they like to go above and beyond where they can regulate or fine and make money off of a situation.
 

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I watched Michael Moore being interviewed on Piers last night. Pity more of you didn't share his egotistical, hypocritical views. He's either a fantastic actor, or he really does care about whats happening over there.

It is a wonderful feeling to not live in fear....to not have to be in that "protection mode" 24 hours a day.

I don't live in fear.

Edit: And I'm sorry, but have you been to the US before? We don't all just walk around pointing uzis at each other.
 

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One persons perspective who I think has hit the nail on the head.


In defense of the maligned assault weapon


Hysteria and facts don't mix well, so it's not surprising that missing from the righteous outrage about free-flowing assault weapons and America's gun-crazy culture is this inconvenient truth: gun-related homicides in the United States have fallen in half over the past two decades, according to FBI statistics, to 8,775 in 2010 from 17,075 in 1993.

Note that the gun homicide total continued to drop even after 2004, when the federal ban on assault weapons expired. Per-capita gun deaths today are about where they were in the early 1960s.

Note also that the downward trend in gun deaths has corresponded with an increase in gun ownership.
That doesn't fit the narrative favored by the anti-gun fanatics, but not much about their obsession with banning firearms is rooted in reality.

Start with the "assault weapons" moniker — a term made up by the media and the anti-gun lobby to make those firearms seem more sinister than grandpa's trusty squirrel rifle.
One of the firearms used last week by the Colorado movie theater shooter was an AR-15 rifle, which was described in coverage as a "military-style" weapon. Military style doesn't mean military issue. While the AR-15 is a cousin to the M-16 used by the armed forces, there's a big difference between them.


The AR-15 is not a machine gun. It won't spray bullets with a single pull of the trigger. It's a semi-automatic, meaning that the trigger must be pulled for each round fired. And while it looks more fearsome, in practical application it's no different and certainly no more deadly or powerful than many of the deer rifles favored by Michigan hunters.


What can set it apart from hunting firearms is the size of the magazine. Most hunting rifles have a five-round magazine to comply with state hunting regulations. The magazine in the gun the Colorado shooter used reportedly held 100 rounds.


In theory, that would allow the shooter to discharge more bullets in a shorter time. But in reality, a moderately experienced shooter can change a magazine in a couple of seconds, making the difference in lethality minimal. And the larger magazines have a tendency to jam, which is apparently what happened in Colorado.


The failure of the gun didn't stop the killing. The shooter also had in his arsenal a .40-caliber Glock, a popular handgun, and a Remington 870 shotgun, which can be found in nearly every duck blind in America. It turns out those common weapons killed as efficiently as the assault rifle.


Most gun owners don't use their weapons for hunting. They have them for either personal protection or because they like to target shoot.


So you can't dismiss firearms that aren't suitable for the field as illegitimate.
Many recreational gun users enjoy shooting rifles that resemble the ones used by the military, and the larger magazines enhance the experience.

Mass shootings are an anachronistic crime. They spike and they fall regardless of whether assault weapons bans are on the books or off, or whether the homicide rate is rising or falling.


We can rush to ban certain firearms types based solely on cosmetics. We can reduce their ammo capacity. But those are feel-good measures that won't prevent the next nut-ball from going on a killing rampage.
 

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A cars intended purpose is to drive from place to another.

A guns intended purpose is normally to kill.

I believe in the United States that there are more firearms than there are cars.

However, more people are killed with cars then guns.

2 innocent people who get killed by a car becomes a statistic, a bunch of people get shot with a gun becomes front page news.
 
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