Should The Burka Be Banned?

Should The Burka Be Banned?

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Peter Parka

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It has been in France and do you think your country should follow suit too?
I am extremely proud of my MP for his argument against in his blog and I agree with him -

Far from strengthening our free society, a ban on Burkas weakens us


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I don't think anyone reading my blog over the past two years, would have any doubts as to my attitude and approach to extreme Islamists. Yet, I am profoundly against our own Government banning the Burka - as has happened in France.

My reasons are simple and can be summed up in two words: Individual liberty. This is something to be cherished, whether we like or approve of what the individual chooses to do - as long as he or she does not harm any one else by his or her actions.

Freedom is rarely lost all at once - it usually happens incrementally via small measures. So, once the State establishes the principle of banning the Burka, it makes it that much easier to resrict something else. First the Burka, then a Turban, after a Cross or a Star of David even. Why not then move to curtail long hair, short hair, tatoos? Where does it stop?

As an open society, we should be as tolerant of Burkas as we are of people walking down the streets with face-paint. We may not like it, but that does not mean the State should intefere - in order to appease our sensibilities.

Of course there are exceptions. Schools and hospitals for example, have an obvious right to refuse employees the right to wear the Burka, whilst they are at work. What they do, out of work and at home, is entirely up to them.

We won't get to grips with extreme Islamists by banning the Burka. Far from it - in doing so, we only play into their hands. If we are confident in our own skin of liberty, we have no need to threaten others. Far from strengthening our free society, a ban on Burkas actually weakens us. It suggests that we no longer have faith that our own open society can triumph without the force of the State.

It is the extreme Islamists who want to curtail liberty, and decide what we should or should not wear. Far better to deal with the causes than with some of the symptoms. Lets not walk into the trap the Islamists are setting us.

http://www.roberthalfon.blogspot.com/

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I know you've seen me argue against free speech in situations where it's just for goading people but I really dont see this as the case here.
My reply to his blog -

I congratulate you on your rational reaction to stupid, knee jerking, sensational tabloids and their cynical attempts to sell papers by whipping up hysteria against a group of people. While I disagree with Muslim beliefs, they for the largest part are peaceful, law abiding citizens working hard and going about their business.
 
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Springsteen

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In public? no.

In the workplace? Yeah in most cases. Say a bank for example, I like to see who's serving me because I like to know I can trust them with my money. If their entire face is covered up, I don't think I could have that trust.
 

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No for anywhere and everywhere.
If a bank wants to ban burkha users, that's their prerogative, but wearing a burkha doesn't hurt anyone, so let those who wear it, wear it if they so wish.

Personally, I can't understand the point of a burkha, and I think it's a pretty demeaning thing for a woman to wear. But in this country you're free to practice whatever culture you want.

France has really gone back on the great principles it once held so dear.
 

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hhmmmm, I'm not sure tbh, I've heard people arguing both sides and am constantly changing my mind. Freedom of choice is one thing but are these women really really choosing to wear them? I'm not so sure tbh
 

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First of all, I think that most of these women if given the honest option to NOT wear it, wouldn't. I don't necessarily agree with what it stands for.......but we're living in a free country...if we sit back and allow them to ban the burqa then what's next? I have neighbors who are muslim and sometimes they wear it, sometimes they don't.........like anything else in this country or that....I'm pro-choice.
 

Alien Allen

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Good for France dealing with this.

Otherwise why not just let everybody wear masks?

Jesus it pisses me off when some group wants to come into a country and not follow that countries standards.

And you want to find out how moderate Muslims are just burn their cherished book the Koran and see how that works for ya.
 

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Good for France dealing with this.

Otherwise why not just let everybody wear masks?

Jesus it pisses me off when some group wants to come into a country and not follow that countries standards.

And you want to find out how moderate Muslims are just burn their cherished book the Koran and see how that works for ya.

We all wear masks,metaphorically speaking...lol.
 

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Good for France dealing with this.

Otherwise why not just let everybody wear masks?

Jesus it pisses me off when some group wants to come into a country and not follow that countries standards.

And you want to find out how moderate Muslims are just burn their cherished book the Koran and see how that works for ya.

So much for "individual liberty" Mr. constitution... :24:
 

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So much for "individual liberty" Mr. constitution... :24:

That is not our country mr liberal :D

Hell I would like to see all attractive women be able to walk down the street naked but that is not a liberty that is acceptable here. Look up community standards when you get a chance. ;)
 

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So much for "individual liberty" Mr. constitution... :24:

No no no... I'm Mr. Constitution. Geez, get it right. :mad

I read this Op-Ed in the LA Times last week, and it sums up my opinions almost completely... especially this closing statement:

The burka ban is illiberal, unnecessary and will most likely be counterproductive. No one else should follow the French example, and France itself should reverse it.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/07/opinion/la-oe-gartonash-burka-20110407

I'd encourage everyone to read the editorial in its entirety though.
 

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Hell I would like to see all attractive women be able to walk down the street naked but that is not a liberty that is acceptable here. Look up community standards when you get a chance. ;)

So would I, but that will never happen as long as you christian conservatives get in the way.
I keep telling you to take a walk on the wild side, the libs will set you free, and encourage the hot women to go naked.

No no no... I'm Mr. Constitution. Geez, get it right. :mad

I read this Op-Ed in the LA Times last week, and it sums up my opinions almost completely... especially this closing statement:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/07/opinion/la-oe-gartonash-burka-20110407

I'd encourage everyone to read the editorial in its entirety though.

I get you righties all mixed up...
 

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So would I, but that will never happen as long as you christian conservatives get in the way.
I keep telling you to take a walk on the wild side, the libs will set you free, and encourage the hot women to go naked.

But wouldn't it be discrimination to only let attractive women walk around naked? Isn't discrimination against one's religious beliefs and moral dress code what this is all about? :p

I get you righties all mixed up...

Oh that's it... I'm gonna have to kill you now.

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I understand freedom ...and everyone to do what they want .....but i do not believe any women in the world will enjoy wearing Burka ... I have no problem with head scarf that they wear and cover their hairs and head but the face sorry but i don't think anyone want to walk like this all the time..
 

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So would I, but that will never happen as long as you christian conservatives get in the way.
I keep telling you to take a walk on the wild side, the libs will set you free, and encourage the hot women to go naked.

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I am far more liberal than you think.

I want all drugs legalized
I want prostitution legalized
Just to name a couple of issues

And I can not stand the friggin christian conservatives and what they have done to the republican party. :thumbdown
 

Alien Allen

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i'll be the odd woman out then.... i select to ban it.

Wise woman :thumbup

If they want to wear that stuff over in the middle east I have no issues with that. It is their culture.

But when they want to come over to the west and pollute that culture here I say no way Jose :D
 

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I believe in freedom of choice so no.

I agree...if the women choose to wear them, then they should be allowed to do so. Though I find it hard to believe that women would actually want to wear one. Their face can't honestly look that bad :)
 
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I understand freedom ...and everyone to do what they want .....but i do not believe any women in the world will enjoy wearing Burka ... I have no problem with head scarf that they wear and cover their hairs and head but the face sorry but i don't think anyone want to walk like this all the time..

I agree...if the women choose to wear them, then they should be allowed to do so. Though I find it hard to believe that women would actually want to wear one. Their face can't honestly look that bad :)

I thought the same way concerning the snuggie... but look how many idiots bought them... :dunno
 
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